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  • What do Larnell Lewis, Sarah Thawer, and Mark Guiliana have in common?
    They’re all great drummers. But what makes them so great? Why do they sound so good?
    In this quick tip, Nate Smith (aka “The 80/20 Drummer”) explains how note placement is a key reason top drummers sound better than the rest of us. And you don’t have to be ‘born with it’ to learn how to improve where and how you hit the drums.
    Nate shares his favorite analogy about note placement and shows you a few metronome exercises to improve your timing. Give them a try!
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  • Gareth Muldowney
    Gareth Muldowney Hace 19 días +203

    Bout time Drumeo got Nate in....A Great dude and educator.

  • MF YA SILLY
    MF YA SILLY Hace 18 días +142

    Always liked this guy’s way of teaching and in this case Was very informative to those of us who learn visually/ through symbolism/analogy

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días +13

      Glad to hear it!

  • Antti Helin
    Antti Helin Hace 19 días +111

    Finally Nate is on Drumeo! I'm huge fan of both channels and I've been waiting this for years!
    Thanks for the great video!

    • CJ G
      CJ G Hace 18 días

      Same

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días +5

      💙💙

  • Jared Cruz
    Jared Cruz Hace 19 días +53

    Easily the most informative, killer, and most importantly: useful, lesson in forever. Thanks.

  • J Phifer
    J Phifer Hace 18 días +58

    I’be followed Nate for a long time. It’s GREAT to have him on Drumeo!! He sees the “inside” perspective on things that we all observe, but that we don’t really understand the details of.
    Each one of your educators brings something different, yet they all come together to make Drumeo a “go to” in drum education.
    Thank you, Jared, and Nate!!!

    • Doug M
      Doug M Hace 17 días

      Less GOOOO😃

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días +2

      Thanks for the kind words! 💙

  • Ealing School of Drums
    Ealing School of Drums Hace 18 días +29

    This Guy is Brilliant, his knowledge is sooo deep. We need more of his concepts, please.

  • Justin Powers
    Justin Powers Hace 18 días +27

    Simply put, they practiced the right shit on a consistent basis. One thing that held back my playing for many years is consistency. If you want to be great, you gotta do it consistently and gradually moving out of your comfort zone.

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  • Bronson Tolliver
    Bronson Tolliver Hace 18 días +40

    Nate is the brutal honesty we all need.

    • SunnyHF2020
      SunnyHF2020 Hace 4 días

      @Bronson Tolliver I agree. And I’m glad he figured out how to deliver that brutal honesty without alienating newcomers.

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  • Thermingt0n
    Thermingt0n Hace 18 días +9

    Nate is such a great teacher, he reminds me of my drum teacher. Very helpful with the visual analogy!

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  • Salvador Diaz del Valle Santana

    Nate preaching the drumming truth as always, glad Drumeo had him on!

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    • The 80/20 Drummer
      The 80/20 Drummer Hace 18 días +1

      HA! good to see you here :P

  • Just Sean’ing Around
    Just Sean’ing Around Hace 18 días +8

    That was fun! Easily one of my favourite Drumeo videos yet. I already followed/enjoyed Nates stuff but the production quality here along with the visuals/sense of humour intermixed was a beautiful blend of approachable education. Thank you. 🙏

  • jcbozich
    jcbozich Hace 18 días +5

    This is all put together so well! Production, content, clips, playing and the drums sound amazing as usual. Well done Nate and Drumeo! ❤️🤘🎉

  • Gator Grooves
    Gator Grooves Hace 13 días +1

    Thanks Nate! Love the parking space analogy! And hearing the metronome on different parts of the beat - works great - to me it’s like playing a groove with a percussionist!

  • Jose Xavier
    Jose Xavier Hace 11 días +1

    Great to see Nate on Drumeo! To me, he has a real life approach to drumming, but has the unique ability to see certain details that most of us do not. Very cool, hope to see more of him on Drumeo. 👍🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁

  • Cody Fusilier
    Cody Fusilier Hace 19 días +12

    That’s a really interesting and cool way to think about…well, a lot of things. Great practice ideas, too. Thanks guys.

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días

      Cheers Cody!

  • Reinhard Luntungan
    Reinhard Luntungan Hace 18 días +3

    This really reminds me of how flow is really important to get a good groove while filling. Bill Bruford does a great example of it. I hope you guys do an episode on him!

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  • Florida Catholic Guy
    Florida Catholic Guy Hace 19 días +36

    The most under rated drummer is Joey Kramer from Aerosmith. You can really hear how great he is by listening to Aerosmith live without Joey during this current tour compared to Aerosmith with Joey Kramer. When they did their Nine Lives album, Joey wasn’t there for the recording so they used a session drummer…when Joey came back they scrapped the whole album and re-recorded it with Joey.

  • Pichet T.
    Pichet T. Hace 18 días +3

    👍 Great practice idea! I've been doing this for few hours and my groove and fill is sound much better right after.
    I always practice with quarter note click offbeat and this is much more fun to me.
    Big thanks again for Drumeo 🙏

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  • Yes Indeed
    Yes Indeed Hace 12 días +2

    One thing I like most about Sarah Thawer is that she’s got the absolute best stank face. She’s obviously an amazing player, but her facial expressions just totally get me into whatever she’s doing. It’s not some practiced thing, she’s just feeling it, and it makes me feel it all the more. So good.

  • quicolic
    quicolic Hace 18 días +5

    So happy to see Nate here. He is an amazing educator and always keep uploading his videos in his channel!

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  • Religiare Originel
    Religiare Originel Hace 12 días +2

    Nate is really one of the best youtube teachers. Big up from France Drumeo !

  • Gianfranco Gaureau
    Gianfranco Gaureau Hace 18 días +10

    This is so awesome. I’m a better drummer than I was 2 years ago and by a lot because of my teachers in Lima, Peru and also because of you Nate. That tip of keeping things hitting at the same time and the off beat 16ths helped me a lot.

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  • sidyal
    sidyal Hace 12 días

    As a long time subscriber to Nate and Drumeo it's great they've done something together. Good lesson. 👍

  • Rusken
    Rusken Hace 18 días +4

    Watched Nate for a long time and got pretty excited when he popped up here! Would absolutely love a full length lesson from him!

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  • Shoeless Music
    Shoeless Music Hace 18 días +5

    Being able to displace the beat by 8th's and 16th's along with a click was one of the hardest things I ever learned how to do. Because I (we) was raised on rock and roll radio it took soooo long to be able to escape that backbeat as we've been trained to find it. Now I can slip in and out of it at will but it wasn't easy

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  • Michael Stevens
    Michael Stevens Hace 12 días +1

    Hello from Kansas City, Missouri. Great Video Nate. What it takes to be a Great Drummer are a number of things that are Simple but not Easy. Specifically, Tone, Time, Feel, Articulation, Dynamics, Rhythms, Sticking, Instrumentation. But also things like Being on Time, Learning a Song Quickly, Efficient Rehearsals etc. Also for anyone that's interested, Nate Smiths 80/20 Drummer Website and ESclips Channel are easily two of the Best sites and channels for Drummers, especially for Jazz. Thanks.

  • Jath 2112
    Jath 2112 Hace 18 días

    I've been waiting a long time for this one.... awesome. Nate is a great professor.

  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Hace 18 días +1

    Love this guy! Awesome to see him at Drumeo ✌🏻

  • The Musical Schizo
    The Musical Schizo Hace 8 días

    This was great! Thanks for having him on, Drumeo - I hope there's a lot more to come. Nate is a fantastic no-nonsense educator that takes tricky-to-first-grab concepts and charts a great path to understanding!

  • Richard Gartland
    Richard Gartland Hace 4 días

    Love Nate, great to see him on the channel. Wicked insight from a great educator who can really elevate everyone's playing regardless of level 🙌

  • Jeremy Mullins
    Jeremy Mullins Hace 18 días +5

    Oh wow! This has been so cool to see these ESclips drummers showing up, like Rob "Beatdown" Brown, Camille Bigeault, and now Nate!

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días +1

      Glad you like it, Jeremy!

  • SimpingHouse
    SimpingHouse Hace 10 días

    awesome class, love the way he educates

  • ricosalomar
    ricosalomar Hace 17 días +3

    Great to see Nate here!
    And to hear him on a kit that isn't all busted up 🤣

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  • Sergio Gonzalez
    Sergio Gonzalez Hace 18 días +1

    I'm not a drummer but I enjoy learning how music "works", and this was an amazing, informative video.

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  • Wesley Hughston
    Wesley Hughston Hace 15 días +2

    I love this guy, he's brought drumming down to realistic goals that build foundations for all drummers to build greatness upon

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  • iau
    iau Hace 15 días

    This lesson is very close to what I'm looking for. I'm struggling with timing. Specifically having my playing just "feel good".
    When I record myself, I hear every other note just barely early or late, and it just doesn't sound good. If I put the recording on a grid, of course it's all messy.
    How can I improve this? When I search lessons on "timing", nothing concrete comes up. Anybody know a lesson or series I can follow to get exactly what I need?

  • Stuart, Jr Barrett
    Stuart, Jr Barrett Hace 18 días +2

    This lesson will make me sign up for Drumeo! Nate is excellent!!!

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  • Trafalger Davis
    Trafalger Davis Hace 18 días +10

    This was great. I watch 80/20 as well at times. This lesson reminds of Phil Rudd on a song like 'Back In Black'. It is simple beat, but if you listen closely, Rudd is in a pocket that is unbelievable. It's deceptively simple pattern, but its all how Rudd plays it. It comes with time to develop feel.

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    • Diego Coutinho
      Diego Coutinho Hace 18 días

      Rudd is widely known for playing just the right amount of "behind the beat", leaving that big open space per bar for the guitars and bass to fill it to the brim. and it works beautifully.

    • R Ellis
      R Ellis Hace 18 días

      Simply put. You gotta swing no matter what you play. Metal/ Rock Pop Jazz. It's feel and pocket is harder than 8 bar riffs . Once you get over I gotta show out than put those 32 fills and really blow them away. Peace out.

  • Charly
    Charly Hace 11 días

    Great stuff. Please interview Max Sansalone (YT dimsunk). He is an incredible funky jazz drummer with chops that everyone will envy. So well known on YT and in NY and Boston drum circles, he belongs here for an interview, and you and your huge audience will be glad you brought him on.

  • Peter Evans
    Peter Evans Hace 18 días +1

    Brilliantly performed and explained by one of the great teachers out there Nate👌🥁

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  • John Hamler
    John Hamler Hace 18 días +1

    Wow! I’ve been watching 80/20 for years and for some reason thought he oughta be working for/with Drumeo all along. The drumming union/community is second to none amongst musicians

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  • Bruce Lee Harvey Oswald
    Bruce Lee Harvey Oswald Hace 18 días +1

    Such an amazing analogy, Nate!

  • WebberReviewsWatches
    WebberReviewsWatches Hace 9 días

    I'm 1 minute in, and can't wait to hear what Nate sounds like on an un-busted, actual kit!!

  • Jon Sudano
    Jon Sudano Hace 18 días +18

    Hell yeah Nate glad to see you on Drumeo

  • Cora Stanley
    Cora Stanley Hace 18 días +1

    Nate and Drumeo, two great tastes that go well together! Awesome video Nate and Frumeo!

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  • jpmc271
    jpmc271 Hace 19 días +13

    This is great. The other element is dynamics. Timing is everything. But dynamics is the cherry on top that separates the greats from the plebs.

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días

      Very true 🙌

  • kush king
    kush king Hace 18 días

    Pretty cool to have 80/20 on here! Damn cool drumeo

  • Federico
    Federico Hace 12 días +1

    Finally some recognition for Nate.

  • Steve Wilcock
    Steve Wilcock Hace 18 días

    Thank you Nate and Drumeo.
    Much appreciated.
    Cheers.

  • Paiste Fever
    Paiste Fever Hace 18 días +2

    Oh hell yeah! Finally! A long time fan of both, great to see the crossover finally happening! :)

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  • Honky Tonkinson
    Honky Tonkinson Hace 18 días +1

    When I manage to practice every day for a while I begin to feel like I’m getting close, especially on a good day where I’m just jamming along with my favorite tunes
    Then I miss a few days due to boring responsibilities and when I come back I’m sloppy, takes a while to warm up, and I struggle to lock up with the beat real tight. Really frustrating when I just can’t manage to play at the level I know I’m capable of, or at least want to be capable of.

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  • Giraffee Taffy
    Giraffee Taffy Hace 18 días

    Great lesson! Nate is awesome. :)

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  • Nadav Luzia
    Nadav Luzia Hace 12 días

    Love Nate, great to see him here finally

  • David
    David Hace 18 días +1

    this opened my eyes back when I saw it on Nate's channel.. great lesson

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  • Yaroslav Leshchukh
    Yaroslav Leshchukh Hace 13 días

    So useful! Thanks 🙏

  • Campagna Studio
    Campagna Studio Hace 18 días +1

    Great lesson! Im gonna use the idea of the motorcycle with my students!

  • drummerboyd79
    drummerboyd79 Hace 7 días

    A great example of someone that has been consistent in their approach to drumming as well as building their channel. Great to see the 80/20 evolve and grow as a player and a brand. Congrats Nate!

  • Cynthia Armstrong
    Cynthia Armstrong Hace 19 días +2

    Drumeo is not just THE best drum education online, it is a great, supportive community 😊

  • Jonas Stone
    Jonas Stone Hace 19 días +2

    Good to see at least one Nate Smith appeared on Drumeo. Now for the 'real' Nate Smith. ;)

  • K WARD DRUMZ
    K WARD DRUMZ Hace 9 días

    AWESOME NATE,,,BEEN FOLLOWING YOU FOR YEARS...EVEN BOUGHT A COUPLE OF COURSES FROM YOU....WELL DESERVED TO BE ON DRUMEO..KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

  • Rob Brown
    Rob Brown Hace 18 días +1

    Very cool seeing Nate up in the house 👊🏾😎

  • Nick Willems
    Nick Willems Hace 18 días +1

    damn didn't expect seeing you here man! great job on the lesson, ur a legend!

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  • iNFiNiEN (music)
    iNFiNiEN (music) Hace 18 días +1

    Nate is a good man also a great drummer and the best teacher

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  • kornelwav
    kornelwav Hace 18 días +1

    Wow. Nate! Cool to see you at Drumeo!

  • Derek xPaPaDx Frampton
    Derek xPaPaDx Frampton Hace 18 días +2

    This is probably one of the best ways I've ever seen 'space' when directly relevant to playing drums explained: EVER.

    • Drumeo
      Drumeo  Hace 18 días

      Yes! Glad to hear it.

  • Jath 2112
    Jath 2112 Hace 18 días +2

    What I like about the Thomas thing....is that he jumps in WITH the other dude. He doesn't care about who is what...he just loves to be playing music with someone right then.

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  • Dominik Naumann
    Dominik Naumann Hace 11 días

    You deserve it, Nate! 🎉 One of the greatest teachers on the platform! 🙌

  • Arthur Andrew 🎃
    Arthur Andrew 🎃 Hace 19 días +10

    Put in your 10.000 hrs first, both playing and listening.
    Nothing comes easy, gotta work hard

  • Parrish Muhoberac
    Parrish Muhoberac Hace 16 días

    This brings up a VERY interesting subject that has no definitive answer... for instance, drummers like Will Calhoun, Carter Beauford, and myself who do a strange thing (which makes things difficult) due to having complete ambidexterity on arms and legs. I play a kit right handed, even though I'm bit more left handed and left footed yet can't kick soccer ball with my left. My right hand is automatic, just like darling a guitar, while the left does all the work without having to think. All 12345678 fills I start with left hand, do left hand crash and right foot kick next beat 1. I've had producers who've hired me actually laugh at me and I wonder why and they ask "how the hell do you do that"?? So I want to do a similar instruction video involving it.

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  • DrDrewdude
    DrDrewdude Hace 17 días +1

    So glad to see Nate Smith on Drumeo!

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  • Joseph Chambers
    Joseph Chambers Hace 17 días +1

    I've been wishing for this collaboration for years.

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  • Kim Rapley
    Kim Rapley Hace 11 días

    I like the parking space concept, I discovered the idea of what Nate calls the parking space here when I was doing exercises to improve my weak hand (left). I would add task to the left during fills and added notes to hi hat and ride as a warm up and found myself covering the snare more with the right hand. Doing this made me double think timing and iron out the rough spots, sometimes by adding a double or creating a rest note. It forced me to slow down and when I did I found so much room inside the beat that it unleashed new creativity. Nate is dropping a really good nugget here for those who haven’t already discovered the space between where music lives.

    • The 80/20 Drummer
      The 80/20 Drummer Hace 9 días

      @Kim Rapley which is *kind of* a different way to say the same thing? (But we agree) BTW I can't take credit for the parking space. That comes from my friend Ian Allison.

    • Kim Rapley
      Kim Rapley Hace 11 días

      Another thing that separates these exceptional drummers from a more average drummer is their intuitive use of dynamics, pace, feel and momentum.

  • Tomasz Mikinka
    Tomasz Mikinka Hace 10 días +1

    I like how drumeo prepare huge drumset for Nate and He’s just throw everything through the window 😂

    • The 80/20 Drummer
      The 80/20 Drummer Hace 9 días

      to be fair, I played a LOT on that kit, but in this, the first of 3 videos we shot (plus a take of me playing with a song), they just cut most of the playing out.

  • Plydrms
    Plydrms Hace 18 días +1

    ..really cool motorcycle analogy, kept me tuned in the whole lesson. You should have him back!

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  • Joe JG
    Joe JG Hace 9 días

    they're better than most because: A. had access great material and teachers at a young age. B. could afford to play drums at an early age. C. One or both parents are musicians and music comes naturally to them. Getting started at an early age, money and natural ability will of course make your ceiling way higher than the average person getting started.

  • Reverie Drum Co.
    Reverie Drum Co. Hace 19 días +3

    Great lesson!

  • raybbj
    raybbj Hace 11 días

    Nate needs to be on retainer with DRUMEO.

  • Brian H
    Brian H Hace 18 días +1

    So cool to see you here Nate! 👍

  • gasoid
    gasoid Hace 16 días

    finally your drumskit sounds excellent :D congratulations!

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  • Guillaume Joan Pépin Viano

    Beside a minimum of decent chops required , its vision , how you place yourself sonically , how able you are to express yourself , how you arrange this.

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  • anthron shuler
    anthron shuler Hace 19 días +1

    my mind is 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 and I often wondered why does these great drummers sound better.

  • marcopolo4468
    marcopolo4468 Hace 18 días +1

    Love that guy Nate been learning off him for years now

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  • sonictt1
    sonictt1 Hace 18 días +2

    The Parking Spot is a metaphor used for swing too. If you want to learn mare about dancing your hits around the beat, try studying some jazz standards as you think about it.

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    • Diego Coutinho
      Diego Coutinho Hace 18 días

      the "spaaaaaaaace betweeeeen the nooooootes" every reliable drum teacher makes a good point from.

  • tObito
    tObito Hace 4 días

    weird seeing Nate play with fully-intact cymbals for once

  • Jamie Harr
    Jamie Harr Hace 14 días +1

    This guy always finds new and interesting ways for me to hate my own drumming...Another lesson you never get in life kids .. Ignorance is bliss... Remember to have fun and feel the music..

    • Jamie Harr
      Jamie Harr Hace 7 días

      @The 80/20 Drummer I agree...I love your videos and they always challenge my perception of my own playing...I knew if you read this you would understand I was joking about hating my drumming and get the fact that it is important above all else to have fun and not take yourself to seriously...

    • The 80/20 Drummer
      The 80/20 Drummer Hace 14 días

      lol noooo! Love your playing. It's always tough right? We have to accept ourselves as we are but also strive to improve.

  • Mr. Anderson
    Mr. Anderson Hace 18 días

    This is the best video Drumeo has ever put up....by farrrr.

  • ShaneRedBeard
    ShaneRedBeard Hace 19 días +28

    an average drummer like us.. yea, you're not average man

    • Phil Underhill
      Phil Underhill Hace 8 días

      @DCmastermind First Throw up a video of your playing. Record it with your phone. It'll take 10 minutes at the most. Put your money where your mouth is or GTFO. Don't bother responding with anything other than a link to your video. Talk is cheap, and it'll show you're a fraud.

    • DCmastermind First
      DCmastermind First Hace 18 días

      @jimmbi No

    • jimmbi
      jimmbi Hace 18 días +1

      Dc really missed the point. Nate is an amazing drummer

    • DCmastermind First
      DCmastermind First Hace 18 días

      @fre loper man boy I do actually.
      It's basic shit.
      Try to understand that.

    • fre loper man boy
      fre loper man boy Hace 18 días +3

      @DCmastermind First you genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about, like really.

  • Dusty Hills
    Dusty Hills Hace 18 días +1

    "Here's one of Larnell... not a chop in sight." 🤣🤣🤣

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  • Tekkerue
    Tekkerue Hace 18 días +2

    So humble of Nate to put himself on the level with us mere mortals as if he isn't a DRUM GOD! 😄

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  • vintageludwig
    vintageludwig Hace 9 días +1

    I love the analogy of the motorcycle in the parking spot, but really you're just timing your hesitations.

    • vintageludwig
      vintageludwig Hace 9 días +1

      @The 80/20 Drummer I can see what you're saying here. As our resolution gets larger over time, our abilities are better suited to placing the hits within the pixels where others may not even be able to perceive.

    • The 80/20 Drummer
      The 80/20 Drummer Hace 9 días +1

      I feel it's more like the resolution of a TV screen. When we first start playing time, the pixels are all big, and there's really only "approximately near the beat" or "way off". As we get better, the pixels get smaller, and you can find the center of the beat. So while physically what might be happening is we have to have the mechanics line up so we can place the note where we hear it, what I'm talking about is even farther up the brainstem, and has to do with how accurately we're HEARING the spot we need to calibrate the hesitation of our body to place the note. If that makes any sense.

  • Brian McGuire
    Brian McGuire Hace 18 días +1

    Thanks for your responses. I've deleted my former comments because I think I muddied the waters in respect to the topic of your video. Love your channel and respect you as a musician and tutor truly. Thanks for the exchange all the same

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    • The 80/20 Drummer
      The 80/20 Drummer Hace 18 días +1

      There was no need to delete anything. I appreciated your comments either way 💪

  • caffeineadvocate
    caffeineadvocate Hace 18 días +2

    Hey, Nate! You got the Drumeo gig! But how?! Did you take a bunch of pills and play the hi-hat with your laptop? :)

  • Luciano Lombardi
    Luciano Lombardi Hace 18 días

    Congrats Nate!

  • Kelly V
    Kelly V Hace 9 días

    What was first and last 16ths? Did I miss his explanation of it?

  • BBJ
    BBJ Hace 18 días

    Finally...
    I've been waiting for this to drop for sooooo long.

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    • BBJ
      BBJ Hace 18 días

      what!!!!!... where is the rest?

  • David Anderson
    David Anderson Hace 18 días +1

    For some reason I read this as “Why great dinosaurs are better than us” and then saw the elephant and thought this was supposed to be a dinosaur and then wondered what dinosaurs and elephants have to do with drumming (totally started working on theories around polyrhythmic leg cadences before figuring it out).

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  • Beverley Cetin
    Beverley Cetin Hace 19 días +1

    Wow!! Just wow!!

  • SimulacronX
    SimulacronX Hace 10 días

    I watch this video - yet I "only" play bass.

  • Sean Baker
    Sean Baker Hace 18 días +1

    Been an 80/20 sub since 2017 truly an academic

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  • Kevin Swan
    Kevin Swan Hace 18 días

    Finally, 80/20. Nicely done.

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